WEBVTT FILE 1 00:00:04.760 --> 00:00:07.400 With the Prime Minister's announcement that Corporal Willie Apiata 2 00:00:07.440 --> 00:00:10.240 has been awarded the Victoria Cross, 3 00:00:10.280 --> 00:00:17.040 the 35-year-old soldier must now face a national press conference. And he's not looking forward to it. 4 00:00:17.080 --> 00:00:20.360 From where I come from, from the job I do, 5 00:00:21.520 --> 00:00:24.080 even giving a little is too much. 6 00:00:24.120 --> 00:00:27.000 And when you're ready, just start. 7 00:00:30.440 --> 00:00:34.320 Lieutenant Colonel Mike Shatford briefs the press on the rules. 8 00:00:34.360 --> 00:00:40.800 I'd like to outline the process that will happen today so we're all clear on the rules of the game. 9 00:00:40.840 --> 00:00:47.040 Corporal Apiata has only just found out about this huge honour. It is quite overwhelming, 10 00:00:47.080 --> 00:00:51.880 so I would ask that you go as easy as you possibly can on him. 11 00:00:54.360 --> 00:00:58.320 Willie's moment of reckoning cannot be delayed any longer. 12 00:00:58.360 --> 00:01:04.960 I don't think anyone could prepare themselves for what I walked into that morning. 13 00:01:05.000 --> 00:01:07.880 I'm right behind you. Cheers, sir. 14 00:01:10.320 --> 00:01:13.120 CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICK, APPLAUSE 15 00:01:13.520 --> 00:01:16.920 Just standing there... just unreal, eh. 16 00:01:17.320 --> 00:01:19.320 Just real emotional. 17 00:01:20.440 --> 00:01:24.560 Willie Apiata joins yet another group of elite people. 18 00:01:24.600 --> 00:01:28.880 This is the first award of the Victoria Cross for NZ. 19 00:01:30.800 --> 00:01:37.000 His is the first and the only Victoria Cross to be awarded to a NZ serviceman 20 00:01:38.840 --> 00:01:41.520 since the end of the Second World War. 21 00:01:41.560 --> 00:01:45.960 The questioning quickly turns to that night in Afghanistan. 22 00:01:46.000 --> 00:01:50.880 Hey, I was doing my job, eh, and just looking after my mates. 23 00:01:50.960 --> 00:01:52.960 It was the... 24 00:01:54.240 --> 00:01:58.040 What was going through your mind at that time? 25 00:01:58.240 --> 00:02:00.240 TENSE SILENCE 26 00:02:03.600 --> 00:02:07.200 You can sense the anticipation of the press 27 00:02:07.680 --> 00:02:12.760 to get some information out of you so they can tell your story. 28 00:02:13.640 --> 00:02:15.640 'Where's my buddies?' 29 00:02:16.040 --> 00:02:18.040 'How can I help them?' 30 00:02:18.840 --> 00:02:25.200 During this incident, did you feel fear? What was the feeling that went through you as you were doing this? 31 00:02:25.240 --> 00:02:27.240 Um... 32 00:02:29.160 --> 00:02:35.160 At the time, I was just... doing what I've been trained for. Doing my job. 33 00:02:36.040 --> 00:02:40.520 Look out for my mates. Watch each other's back, and... 34 00:02:40.560 --> 00:02:43.920 The heat of the moment. I can't really say at this time. 35 00:02:43.960 --> 00:02:49.640 There was a lot of fire going on. You weren't worried about being hit? 36 00:02:49.680 --> 00:02:53.480 < I think it's probably time to take the questions somewhere else. 37 00:02:53.520 --> 00:02:59.000 < Willie is quite overwhelmed by the situation, and perhaps we can talk more about other things. 38 00:02:59.040 --> 00:03:06.480 Do you see yourself, perhaps, as the living legend, as others might do from this day forward? 39 00:03:06.520 --> 00:03:09.000 I see myself as Willie Apiata. 40 00:03:09.640 --> 00:03:12.520 I'm just an ordinary person and... 41 00:03:14.640 --> 00:03:16.640 this is me. 42 00:03:21.480 --> 00:03:26.000 This is one of the hardest things I've ever had to do, actually. 43 00:03:26.040 --> 00:03:28.560 Good one. All done. Thank you, sir. 44 00:03:28.600 --> 00:03:30.800 It was a great job. Cheers, boss. 45 00:03:30.840 --> 00:03:36.360 It was an enormous amount of pressure on him to present himself. I think he did a great job. 46 00:03:36.400 --> 00:03:42.040 But Willie was just Willie. He was just being himself. That is him. That is Willie the man. 47 00:03:42.080 --> 00:03:48.560 After facing the cameras, Willie asked for a private moment with the people who helped him through it. 48 00:03:48.600 --> 00:03:53.800 I've always been a man of few words, but I need to say something. 49 00:03:56.040 --> 00:04:02.040 Since 9 o'clock yesterday, it's just been an unbelievable experience. 50 00:04:02.080 --> 00:04:07.480 The old 12 o'clock news today, that sort of really hit home for me. 51 00:04:07.880 --> 00:04:14.960 I'd just like to thank you all for everything that you've done in the last three years, 52 00:04:15.800 --> 00:04:17.800 building up to this day. 53 00:04:19.560 --> 00:04:22.760 I can't believe I only just found out 9 o'clock yesterday about all of this, 54 00:04:22.800 --> 00:04:30.680 but thanks very much. I... Words can't explain how much I appreciate what you fellas have done. 55 00:04:31.520 --> 00:04:33.520 Thank you. Kia ora. 56 00:04:33.560 --> 00:04:35.560 APPLAUSE 57 00:04:36.000 --> 00:04:39.680 You're gonna get sick of us. Cheers, Willie. 58 00:04:41.280 --> 00:04:43.280 Cheers. 59 00:04:48.880 --> 00:04:52.280 BERNADINE OLIVER-KERBY: NZ has a new living legend - a man who displayed... 60 00:04:52.320 --> 00:04:58.320 Back at the hotel, Willie watches his story lead the national news for the second time that day. 61 00:04:58.360 --> 00:05:04.840 ...hasn't changed me at all. I'm still one of the boys, back at work, and always will be. 62 00:05:04.880 --> 00:05:06.880 Awesome. Yeah. 63 00:05:07.400 --> 00:05:13.760 63 media stories about Willie. Online coverage through NZ spreading to Australia, France, the UAE. 64 00:05:13.800 --> 00:05:18.080 This is just an awesome... thing that's happening. 65 00:05:17.040 --> 00:05:19.040 I know. > 66 00:05:19.120 --> 00:05:22.800 I didn't think it'd be that big at all. But... 67 00:05:25.880 --> 00:05:29.080 it just felt like it almost went global, just like that. 68 00:05:29.120 --> 00:05:34.480 Some messages of support for Corporal Willie Apiata. From Snoop in South Korea. 69 00:05:34.520 --> 00:05:36.320 READS: It makes me proud to be a Maori again. 70 00:05:36.360 --> 00:05:42.000 From Sunny. (READS) Salaam, peace. God bless you and your family for the ultimate good deed you did. 71 00:05:42.040 --> 00:05:47.040 Dean in Queensland. (READS) 'Kia ora, Willie. Well done, from the bros in Iraq. Kia kaha, Deano. 72 00:05:47.080 --> 00:05:52.240 'Nice one. If I see you in the pub, it's my shout.' (CHUCKLES) Hey, get that guy's name. 73 00:05:52.280 --> 00:05:54.800 For those charged with keeping the secret, 74 00:05:54.840 --> 00:05:59.760 the public announcement of Willie's Victoria Cross has gone off without a hitch. 75 00:05:59.800 --> 00:06:02.000 Cheers to you and the team. 76 00:06:01.120 --> 00:06:03.040 The relief it was out there. 77 00:06:03.080 --> 00:06:08.080 For me, it was a great relief because I'd sat on it for some 10 months or so. 78 00:06:08.120 --> 00:06:11.480 Suddenly, it wasn't a secret that had to be kept any more. 79 00:06:11.520 --> 00:06:18.720 In just a few hours, Corporal Willie Apiata of the NZSAS has become an official NZ hero. 80 00:06:19.080 --> 00:06:20.840 But a reluctant one. 81 00:06:20.880 --> 00:06:25.880 Before they announced it, I'd finally sort of put it to rest. 82 00:06:26.320 --> 00:06:31.960 But it's resting no more. It's gonna be there now for the rest of my life. 83 00:06:32.000 --> 00:06:37.800 But, you know, you'll never forget that night. It'll always be there. 84 00:06:41.360 --> 00:06:43.360 MACHINE GUNS FIRE 85 00:06:43.560 --> 00:06:49.640 Following the 9/11 attacks, an international coalition was on the hunt for Al Qaeda in Afghanistan. 86 00:06:49.680 --> 00:06:54.080 Among those pursuing the terrorists were the NZSAS. 87 00:06:54.680 --> 00:06:59.120 Renowned trackers, they're one of the world's leading Special Forces. 88 00:06:59.160 --> 00:07:06.360 Highly skilled, the NZers were able to penetrate far behind enemy lines in all environments. 89 00:07:06.400 --> 00:07:11.800 They were ideally suited for the rugged Afghanistan landscape. 90 00:07:12.000 --> 00:07:14.000 BOOM! 91 00:07:20.720 --> 00:07:25.800 Operating in small convoys of motorcycle pathfinders and armed patrol vehicles, 92 00:07:25.840 --> 00:07:32.000 The NZSAS faced an elusive enemy that had used the local terrain to deadly effect 93 00:07:32.040 --> 00:07:35.320 against the Russian army years before. 94 00:07:40.520 --> 00:07:45.680 Among those hand-picked for this deadly mission was Corporal Willie Apiata. 95 00:07:45.720 --> 00:07:52.960 You have all these things that may happen to you, but you resort to the training that you've been given. 96 00:07:53.000 --> 00:08:00.000 Moving through villages, the NZ troops gathered intelligence on any suspicious movements. 97 00:08:00.040 --> 00:08:05.320 We're chasing information, and information to us is currency. 98 00:08:07.000 --> 00:08:11.680 Good information could lead them directly to the enemy. 99 00:08:14.080 --> 00:08:16.080 BOOM! 100 00:08:16.360 --> 00:08:24.840 On this occasion, a cache of guns, explosives and rocket-propelled grenades were taken from the enemy. 101 00:08:24.880 --> 00:08:31.760 But Corporal Willie Apiata's patrol would not be so lucky on their next encounter. 102 00:08:38.800 --> 00:08:45.200 Their time in the capital has gone to plan, and the commanding officer and his team head back to base. 103 00:08:45.240 --> 00:08:47.760 But changes in Willie's life are apparent. 104 00:08:47.800 --> 00:08:53.480 The first person to ask him for an autograph sort of said, 'Would you mind giving me an autograph?' 105 00:08:53.520 --> 00:08:59.320 Willie said, 'Sure,' and looked at me and wasn't quite sure what to do. 106 00:08:59.320 --> 00:09:03.480 I've never been asked for one, so it's new to me. I said, 'Well, just put your name.' 107 00:09:03.520 --> 00:09:06.200 So he did. He wrote 'Willie' and handed it back. 108 00:09:06.240 --> 00:09:14.240 I said, 'We can do it better next time.' So now he signs himself 'Willie Apiata, VC', as he should. 109 00:09:23.280 --> 00:09:30.280 Corporal Willie Apiata returns to base and back to the routine of a Special Forces soldier. He hopes. 110 00:09:30.320 --> 00:09:35.200 He was welcomed back, and it was business as usual, as far as the guys were concerned. 111 00:09:35.240 --> 00:09:38.960 Handshakes - not too many man hugs go on around this place. 112 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:42.080 Doesn't matter if he's wearing the Victoria Cross on his chest. 113 00:09:42.120 --> 00:09:46.520 If he does something wrong, he's gonna know about it. 114 00:09:46.520 --> 00:09:50.960 I was coming in every morning - still do PT as usual every morning. 115 00:09:51.000 --> 00:09:55.480 Get your feet back on the ground working with the lads. 116 00:09:56.080 --> 00:10:00.240 Doing some shooting, just getting a bit of cordite back in the nostrils. 117 00:10:00.280 --> 00:10:03.960 Getting your eye back in and making sure you're still doing it. 118 00:10:04.000 --> 00:10:06.000 GUN FIRES 119 00:10:09.440 --> 00:10:14.600 Despite his attempts to return to normality, everything has changed for Willie Apiata. 120 00:10:14.640 --> 00:10:18.880 He's the only corporal in the NZ military with his own office. 121 00:10:18.920 --> 00:10:24.520 He's only a corporal. He's got his own office, but he's gotta answer 122 00:10:25.040 --> 00:10:28.320 a couple of hundred emails and letters every few days. 123 00:10:28.360 --> 00:10:32.000 I don't think other corporals around here would want to do that. 124 00:10:32.040 --> 00:10:37.280 Messages have flooded in from politicians, celebrities, sporting heroes, war veterans 125 00:10:37.320 --> 00:10:43.720 and other proud regiments from every part of society and corner of the globe. 126 00:10:44.560 --> 00:10:48.160 You get a feel of how the people are feeling out there. 127 00:10:48.200 --> 00:10:52.960 The response from them was awesome. It's just overwhelming. 128 00:10:53.000 --> 00:10:58.880 It's been an interesting process. A lot of people have asked for Willie to go and speak or be at events. 129 00:10:58.920 --> 00:11:05.440 I think a lot of people forget that Willie's actually still a soldier and he's a soldier in the SAS. 130 00:11:05.480 --> 00:11:08.040 I'm trying to keep things as normal as we can. 131 00:11:08.080 --> 00:11:12.280 Trying to schedule events as best we can to... not to disrupt him. 132 00:11:12.320 --> 00:11:15.160 If possible, get him out for a jump with the lads. 133 00:11:15.200 --> 00:11:18.560 But Willie's newfound status is now inescapable. 134 00:11:18.600 --> 00:11:22.880 Even at work, a member of the flight crew ambushes Willie for an autograph 135 00:11:22.920 --> 00:11:28.320 while he prepares for a training jump with other members of the unit and the troop. 136 00:11:28.360 --> 00:11:30.360 Is that you? > 137 00:11:30.880 --> 00:11:32.880 ENGINE ROARS 138 00:11:39.840 --> 00:11:41.840 (SHOUTS) 139 00:11:56.280 --> 00:12:02.320 A few brief moments of isolation under canopy offer Willie his only relief from the attention. 140 00:12:02.360 --> 00:12:06.280 But there is one set of faces that Willie is desperate to see. 141 00:12:06.320 --> 00:12:09.720 My family's suffering at the moment, eh. 142 00:12:10.040 --> 00:12:15.520 But I know I've just gotta be patient and I'll get that time at home. 143 00:12:15.680 --> 00:12:20.280 Over the next few days, media interest intensifies on Willie Apiata 144 00:12:20.320 --> 00:12:25.520 and the actions in Afghanistan that led to his Victoria Cross. 145 00:12:25.520 --> 00:12:27.160 GUNS FIRE 146 00:12:27.200 --> 00:12:33.520 Meanwhile, Willie learns the financial and personal pressures all VC winners must face. 147 00:12:33.560 --> 00:12:39.720 I was concerned, as any commanding officer would be, when one of his subordinates is in this position. 148 00:12:39.760 --> 00:12:42.440 I was concerned for him, personally. 149 00:12:42.480 --> 00:12:47.800 While some recipients have succumbed to the substantial dollar value of the medals, 150 00:12:47.840 --> 00:12:50.920 others have suffered a greater toll. 151 00:12:51.160 --> 00:12:59.960 There are enough stories of Victoria Cross winners that have ended up destitute, or drunk and destitute. 152 00:13:00.160 --> 00:13:08.160 We certainly didn't want that to occur, and there's no inclination that it's likely to, either. 153 00:13:09.680 --> 00:13:16.280 After much demand, the media are granted a series of closely supervised one-on-one interviews. 154 00:13:16.320 --> 00:13:20.960 All right. If you guys will follow me. Well, welcome to the unit. 155 00:13:21.000 --> 00:13:25.880 But the very private soldier is still uncomfortable with his public role. 156 00:13:25.920 --> 00:13:30.720 I never thought I'd ever be talking to the media about it. Yeah. 157 00:13:30.760 --> 00:13:31.480 Hello. 158 00:13:31.520 --> 00:13:37.840 With his famous corporal on edge, the CO lets everyone know exactly where the boundaries lie. 159 00:13:37.880 --> 00:13:42.800 We're a discreet organisation. We're not comfortable in the public eye. It's not what we do naturally. 160 00:13:42.840 --> 00:13:47.280 We're just trying to balance what NZ needs from Willie and what Willie needs. 161 00:13:47.320 --> 00:13:53.840 Given that the SAS, you know, builds its reputation on anonymity, isn't that shot for him now? 162 00:13:53.880 --> 00:13:59.480 No, not at all. He still has anonymity with a gas mask on, doesn't he? 163 00:13:59.600 --> 00:14:06.400 The media are no longer covering the story for just NZ but for news agencies around the globe. 164 00:14:06.440 --> 00:14:10.920 Last week, Willie Apiata was this anonymous bloke... 165 00:14:11.160 --> 00:14:15.920 ...and now you're having to do all these horrible interviews with us. (LAUGHS) > 166 00:14:15.960 --> 00:14:22.040 The public and NZ wanna know who I am. It's a soldier in the NZSAS, and that's who I am. 167 00:14:22.080 --> 00:14:26.080 We've been receiving messages on our website by the hundreds. 168 00:14:26.120 --> 00:14:29.880 They generally wanted to know who I was and how I was feeling. 169 00:14:29.920 --> 00:14:33.920 Yeah, it's still quite an overwhelming thing that I'm going through. 170 00:14:33.960 --> 00:14:36.760 And, you know, I'm taking it one day at a time. 171 00:14:36.800 --> 00:14:40.200 You've said you'd rather face the Taliban than the media. 172 00:14:40.240 --> 00:14:46.440 There's a couple of them, actually, that were right up in your face, but... 173 00:14:47.120 --> 00:14:54.120 we all know they just want a piece of Willie Apiata, so we had to give them a little bit. 174 00:14:54.120 --> 00:14:58.400 Put you in front of that and take a photo as an honour. 175 00:15:03.000 --> 00:15:09.560 They're big words you don't really like. You were just doing your job. (LAUGHS) OK, mate. 176 00:15:09.600 --> 00:15:11.600 Um, so,... uh... 177 00:15:12.560 --> 00:15:16.960 Some journalists go fishing for more details about Afghanistan. 178 00:15:17.000 --> 00:15:24.200 Now, Afghanistan. How long had you been in Afghanistan when this particular action happened? 179 00:15:24.240 --> 00:15:27.400 Probably no questions in terms of the specifics, sir.> OK, then. 180 00:15:27.440 --> 00:15:30.920 So, you were up against a group of Taliban? 181 00:15:30.280 --> 00:15:31.840 No specifics on that. > 182 00:15:31.880 --> 00:15:37.240 (SIGHS) So, there's really no more that you'd tell us about Afghanistan? 183 00:15:37.280 --> 00:15:45.560 Not the specifics. There's reasons for that. We're not being defensive or trying to hide anything. 184 00:15:52.040 --> 00:16:01.120 In the hunt for Al Qaeda, Corporal Willie Apiata's patrol travelled to the remotest regions of Afghanistan. 185 00:16:01.480 --> 00:16:04.520 We would go to villages to talk to the locals. 186 00:16:04.560 --> 00:16:09.040 In some places we'd go to, they haven't seen soldiers since the Russian days. 187 00:16:09.080 --> 00:16:11.840 Biblical is the only thing that springs to mind. 188 00:16:11.880 --> 00:16:17.360 Donkeys, people carrying piles of wood, mud huts. Very biblical. 189 00:16:18.120 --> 00:16:23.360 There were occasions we'd get flowers thrown on to our vehicle cos they were happy to see us. 190 00:16:23.400 --> 00:16:29.360 We're a different bunch, eh, as Kiwis. We pretty much get on with just about everybody. 191 00:16:29.400 --> 00:16:33.320 But greetings weren't always so enthusiastic. 192 00:16:33.360 --> 00:16:42.160 We approached this village before last light and thought, 'We'll visit and let people know we're there.' 193 00:16:42.640 --> 00:16:49.560 The welcoming we got from that village was quite hostile - just in the way that they looked at us. 194 00:16:49.600 --> 00:16:55.880 We had been told, previously, that the village was sympathetic to Taliban. 195 00:17:02.480 --> 00:17:10.200 With the meeting set up for the next day, the patrol moved away from the village to make camp for the night. 196 00:17:10.240 --> 00:17:14.880 Some form of dominating ground that we can fight from, that you feel secure in, 197 00:17:14.920 --> 00:17:19.520 that have got eyes on, basically, all around the fence. 198 00:17:20.640 --> 00:17:24.680 But the landscape failed to offer an ideal location to lay up. 199 00:17:24.720 --> 00:17:29.160 There was still a lot of ground that we couldn't see into. 200 00:17:29.200 --> 00:17:33.480 Hiding in the shadows, a hostile army was amassing. 201 00:17:39.400 --> 00:17:44.320 At the end of this first week, Willie gets a much-needed short break. 202 00:17:44.360 --> 00:17:48.680 No media, celebrity snapshots or personal minders. 203 00:17:48.720 --> 00:17:51.080 I really needed it. Just to clear my head. 204 00:17:51.120 --> 00:17:54.480 Get my head around it and get some closure with my family. 205 00:17:54.520 --> 00:17:58.160 They hadn't seen me since this thing started, 206 00:17:58.200 --> 00:18:03.120 and they were starting to tear the TV apart every time I was on. 207 00:18:03.160 --> 00:18:08.200 Willie heads south to see his partner and son and his biggest follower. 208 00:18:08.240 --> 00:18:11.320 Only my mum really understood what it was about. 209 00:18:11.360 --> 00:18:17.840 Once it had come out on the TV, basically, the rest of my family finally realised. 210 00:18:17.880 --> 00:18:21.800 You know life's not the same any more on the home front, don't you? 211 00:18:21.840 --> 00:18:25.600 My mum's followed me through my career ever since the first day 212 00:18:25.640 --> 00:18:28.960 when I went away to do my first weekend of army training. 213 00:18:29.000 --> 00:18:31.840 Jeepers. I didn't know you had all these. 214 00:18:31.880 --> 00:18:34.880 Oh, that was when I came back from Afghan, eh. Mm. 215 00:18:34.920 --> 00:18:37.320 After a few years in the Territorial Army, 216 00:18:37.360 --> 00:18:44.200 his mother would also see Willie's disappointment after an unsuccessful first attempt to join the NZSAS, 217 00:18:44.240 --> 00:18:47.840 an old injury denying his chance of selection. 218 00:18:47.880 --> 00:18:53.120 I was pretty gutted about that, but I had a good unit that I was with at the time, 219 00:18:53.160 --> 00:19:01.160 put me back into work and says, 'Hey, there will always be another opportunity', and I knew that. 220 00:19:02.360 --> 00:19:08.960 After serving in East Timor, Willie tried for the NZSAS selection again in 2001. 221 00:19:09.000 --> 00:19:11.400 This time, he made the grade. 222 00:19:12.520 --> 00:19:19.840 Holy Father, bless this food we're about to devour. Bless this house. Bless our journey. Amen. 223 00:19:19.880 --> 00:19:24.800 As a combat trooper, Willie is away on training and operations much of the year, 224 00:19:24.840 --> 00:19:28.520 so he spends all his remaining time with his partner and son, 225 00:19:28.560 --> 00:19:33.160 as they come to terms with the changes in Willie's life. 226 00:19:34.680 --> 00:19:42.400 Nowadays, no matter how tired I am or how drained I feel, I'll always make time to spend with my boy. 227 00:19:42.440 --> 00:19:47.320 I know that's all he wants - to be with Dad. He's away so much. 228 00:19:48.800 --> 00:19:50.800 POIGNANT MUSIC 229 00:19:56.120 --> 00:19:58.120 (LAUGHS) 230 00:20:00.120 --> 00:20:02.120 Ah... we missed it. 231 00:20:03.440 --> 00:20:07.400 That's the one. You're reeling it up a little bit. 232 00:20:07.440 --> 00:20:13.760 All too soon, Willie's weekend with loved ones is over. Their next meeting will be in Wellington, 233 00:20:13.800 --> 00:20:21.160 where the Governor-General will present Willie Apiata with the Victoria Cross in a public ceremony. 234 00:20:21.200 --> 00:20:23.400 POIGNANT MUSIC CONTINUES